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rockshardPhDPostMay 5, 2017, 21:22
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What does it matter if I liked the story or not? I can praise FFT until the cows come home, but funny how I don't see anyone condemning its flaws. The internet wide Final Fantasy defense force doesn't need my help nor do I care to help them.

The political plotline and supernatural plotline are like two completely separate stories crammed into the same game. But I could hardly care any less. Nobody talks about mechanics. People seem to ignore mechanics or perhaps feel that mechanics are incidental to a game, but that's not an excuse, because bad mechanics are even less justifiable in a story driven game than they are in a mechanically driven game, because at least you'd expect a mechanically driven game to have mechanics, but nothing says a story game has to have them.

Job system doesn't mix with a game where you command 20+ troops which in turn doesn't mix in a game where you can only deploy 5 at a time. Game also keeps dumping overpowered story characters on you making it so there is less of a reason to use the jobs. Also the game just completely stops caring after chapter 3, at which point the game completely loses focus and becomes a cakewalk to the point where battles are practically an insult. They seemed to have too many ideas for characters (the game hunter, the sky pirate, the robot, the dragon speaker, etc) and hadn't figured out how to best utilize them in the storyline in time for release, so they pretty much just left them as is, haphazardly slapping in ways to unlock them just so they don't go to waste. But being rushed isn't even an excuse when you consider that there was the opportunity to fix something for the PSP version.

And the ending was garbage. That said, the story has it's strong points, like how in chapter 1 how Ramza and Delita are born into a world they don't understand and it hits them like a brick wall. And how throughout the story there are antagonists who don't necessarily agree with it either but allow themselves to be swept up in it and strengthening it because they don't believe they have a choice. But like I said, the story doesn't matter all that much. I've played my share of games with decent storylines. Unless they're good games, I usually choose not to talk about them.

VladoPostMay 6, 2017, 17:52
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Yes, you make a good point. I'm not "FF defence force" or anything, I just tend to be forgiving of the bad things in the games I like. I liked FFT's story quite a bit - well, the political one, at least. I wasn't too fond of the supernatural one, but eh... I guess it wasn't terrible. It just hurts the political one somewhat because to me it's rather lame and straightforward, in stark contrast to the political plots.

FFT is certainly not a game of class balance (can it even hope to be with so many classes...). As soon as I got ninjas, I used them as the main attack unit, the others were support. 2 hits are really something. I totally agree about the "overpowered story characters," too. Orlandu being of course the one I mean. After I realised just how powerful the guy is, I just stopped using him so that the battles could still be interesting. Well, I actually had to use him once, in the battle against Balk and the three dragons where I came close to winning without him a few times, but eventually decided not to waste more time. The first half of the game is WAY harder than the second one... And not just due to Orlandu. That's certainly not a good thing. It could make you give up early if you don't feel like grinding in pointless battles. And let's not mention the infamous Wiegraf one-on-one battle, where if you save without good preparation, you're screwed and may have to restart the whole game (unless you're like me and keep multiple saves, of course).

Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together interestingly doesn't have most of those problems. The plot is a purely political one, class balance is better, and the game maintains challenging difficulty without forcing you to grind much. And your choices at important parts change the whole story for the rest of the game! (Read my review if you haven't already. :) ) Yet, in the end I like FFT better because the political plot was even more engaging...

I really like Ramza and Delita. They're among my top 10 or so characters in gaming (Ramza is even top 5 or so). Their relationship and the different roads they take, and the different take history has on them, are very well written. They are still friends until the very end, even when they fight on different sides... It's charming. I enjoyed the ending. I don't like Ramza's fate being left ambiguous, but other than that, it was great. Delita and Ovelia's scene is an all-time classic.

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rockshardPhDPostMay 7, 2017, 08:01
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The story characters undermine the whole job system. It actually makes me reflect on how Final Fantasy V formula makes way more sense for a game with a job system. You have four characters only who are with you all the time. Need a priest? Just change one of them into a priest! FFT isn't any different in practice. You would never buy someone and then make them a priest, you'd just pick someone you were already using to be the priest, which is vastly more effective seeing as certain abilities can be attached to other jobs, AND you level them up even more. FFT could've just been FFV but with 5 characters instead of 4, and one of them is Ramza, who should have probably had his own job sprites.

If you're gonna get me to admit a story is a masterpiece, the ending can't be as spectacularly sucky as WotL's. I mean it's kind of common sense not to botch the very last part of the story if you want the audience to leave the theater (in this case not a theater) with a positive opinion. Even aside the fact I know next to nothing about St. Ajora or the zodiac knights who stopped him before, or the origin of the Lucavi, or what the deal was with the airship-- Why is happy music playing, why is the story being framed as a history lesson (completely unnecessary), what is all this random artwork during the end credits (no really, what is it? I can barely make any of it out) and what does this artwork have to do with the story, and why would the player care if Ramza is finally vindicated historically if we're more likely wondering if he survived and/or HOW he survived. That's the one thing on the player's mind, not any of that other junk.

Also, "show, don't tell" much? The church buried Ramza's story, I guess they did since you told us. But it's been uncensored and made public, I guess so since you told us. Now I know both these things, AND I care. What great writing. I even know that Cid's son was tortured and killed by the church for trying to reveal it, which is kind of a buzzkill. The only way it could've been more gratuitous is we were also told what Delita had for lunch that day.

rockshardPhDPostMay 8, 2017, 20:11
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Daxter

yrogerg123PostMay 20, 2017, 08:33
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I'm gonna say I beat Fallout: New Vegas, even though maybe technically I didn't. I finished the main campaign, the weird Indian lands expansion, and the divide. At that point I decided that I had done enough and called it a day with like 105 hours logged.

I really, really liked that game. Super fun, lots to do, very interesting world.

VladoPostMay 21, 2017, 08:17
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Sounds great. I think if you beat the main story, it counts as beating the game. After all, you can't be expected to 100% all games... I should play some Fallouts one day. I heard New Vegas was like the classic ones, much unlike Bethesda's.

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Quote from Vlado on May 21, 2017, 08:17

Sounds great. I think if you beat the main story, it counts as beating the game. After all, you can't be expected to 100% all games... I should play some Fallouts one day. I heard New Vegas was like the classic ones, much unlike Bethesda's.

Fallout 3 is best imo. It has the bleak atmosphere where NV and 4 don't.

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rockshardPhDPostMay 21, 2017, 12:35
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I'm a super tightwad about what counts as beating a game. I'm trying to pin down an objective criterion. In fact, on several occasions I have removed games from my PSP beaten games list as a result of making tweaks to the criteria for beaten. (or for realizing I used FAQs for certain games.)

You beat a game if:

a) End credits reached. The player just believe those are the real end credits, fake/bad/preliminary endings don't count. Accessing the credits from a menu doesn't count. If the game has multiple characters (e.g. Mega Man X4) the credits must be reached with each of them.
b) a screen that says "The End" automatically counts, regardless of post game content.
c) the games visibly tracks your progress or completion and you have full completion.

If you think about it though it's kind of lax since you only need to do one of those, but depending on the game there's no way to get any of those. There's one case where I counted a game as beaten anyway, Assassin's Creed Bloodlines, because if you beat the game it just starts over from the beginning. So maybe that should be "d" but trouble is what if a game does this and the second playthrough is different.

Anyway, this actually changes my gaming habits, I focus more on games I enjoy now because there's no telling whether I will be able to count a game as beaten or not. Why put in that time and effort if it could end up being for nothing,but with an enjoyable game I don't mind if it ends up being for nothing. What i hate is the bias that comes from putting hours and hours into a game and thinking you deserve to count it as beaten simply because you don't want to throw out all that time and effort. When you no longer feel entitled to having a game counted as beaten then it's suddenly much easier to be objective.

yrogerg123PostMay 22, 2017, 03:23
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Yea, defibitely saw the end credits and a "The End" screen, so I'll count it.

VladoPostMay 22, 2017, 16:39
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I just count the game as beaten if I'm done with the main story. In 99% of the cases, this coincides with watching the credits/The End screen.

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ertyu1978PostMay 23, 2017, 19:23

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i dont have anymore games to ply for right now anyways

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So why post idiot?

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yrogerg123PostMay 24, 2017, 02:59
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rockshardPhDPostMay 25, 2017, 00:16
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Wipeout Pure

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Beated The Secret Order 2 Masked Intent. Puzzle games these days are kind of easy lol. I still hate sliding puzzles though.

rockshardPhDPostJune 10, 2017, 01:18
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Wipeout Pulse

VladoPostJune 10, 2017, 22:21
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Are you liking these Wipeout games? I enjoyed what little I played of the PS3 one, but the genre is just not something I invest much time into.

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rockshardPhDPostJune 10, 2017, 23:20
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They're not the best racing games on PSP, and I actually lost a lot of respect for the Wipeout series on account of playing Pulse.. in fact I came up with a joke that Juiced Eliminator is the best hover racing game. xD LOVE the way the cars handle in that game, especially later on.

I considered playing Wipeout 1-3 on my PSP to see how they compare, but I don't like that I'd have to use the dpad. It's not even that big of a deal, but I just don't feel like having to switch now that I'm used to playing all my racing games using the analog nub.
Maybe what made the old games better is simply the fact you could boost any time, something that was possibly removed due to the PSP's lack of shoulder buttons. Dunno if the PS3 one fixed this. But Pulse has many issues besides that. Oddly, I didn't have as much beef with Pure. It's as though Wipeout Pure is a better game than Wipeout Pulse. o.O

Speaking of using PSP for games that I used to play on console with a different method of control.. (whew!) ...I was considering trying Tekken Dark Resurrection and Tekken 6 (despite them being fighting games *spits on ground*) but I remembered that when playing Tekken games on consoles instead of using my thumb to press the buttons, I'd use my index and middle fingers. In sense the right half of the controller was used like a fighting stick. Not sure how well I'd adapt to PSP. Maybe the L/R buttons could come in handy somehow.
But maybe I'll postpone it since I still have plenty of other PSP games to choose from.

VladoPostJune 10, 2017, 23:46
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Shortly after I got the PSP, I played some Ridge Racer game for a bit (my wife actually played more of it). I thought the D-pad was easier to control the car with than the nub... But it could've been just that one game.

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rockshardPhDPostJune 11, 2017, 00:07
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I was the same! Many of my favorite racing games on PSP were played using dpad but at some point, like within the last year or two I found myself using the nub all of a sudden.

The first three racing games I ever played on PSP were Ridge Racer, Burnout Legends, and Test Drive Unlimited. I did not like that TDU was analog only. But it was not a deal breaker for me, I was /fine/ with analog, but I was comfortable with dpad and it felt more accurate. In my view at the time the PSP's analog was pointless for racing games since its small size makes it hard to do anything but full steer left and full steer right. So why do I use analog now? For ergonomic reasons mostly, it just feels more comfortable. After beating a few racing games on PSP with it I can safely say it doesn't hinder me to a degree that could be considered substantial.

That said, I don't like the idea of using analog with PS1 racing games because then it's emulating a dpad, and I have to doubt that works well. I think, I'd be turning right then left, and halfway through switching directon the game thinks I still am doing a full right turn and I end up smacking into a wall. So I'd rather just use dpad.

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