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SudertumPostMay 6, 2018, 18:17
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As mentioned i still have a mod project for EU3.
here a current screenshot:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/sk4d2tskqyd5wzi/Bulgarien.bmp
Political map for 1356 is shown, any country in this game is playable beeing over 400 world wide at game start!

My issue is that i went into detail reworking southeast-europe, causing trouble to get additional informations.
So Vlado, do you know sources about historical city populations and tradegoods especially for the balkans?

VladoPostMay 7, 2018, 16:19
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For one, many of the names are wrong, many places weren't called that way at the time...

The English wiki article has sufficient enough answers to your questions. Trade goods, and many cities mentioned there, too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bulgarian_Empire

Total population was supposedly about 2-2.5 million near the end of 14th century, before the country fell to the Turks.

I found an approximation of population numbers in big cities... But take it with a grain of salt.
Shumen 15000
Plovdiv 20000
Preslav 20000
Ruse 8000
Silistra 5000
Sliven 8000
Sofia 20000
Varna 5000
Tarnovo (capital) 35000
Vidin 6000

http://da.uni-vt.bg/u/383/pub/6461/%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B6%D1%8A%D1%82%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B2%20%D1%81%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F-1.pdf
(in Bulgarian, of course)

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SudertumPostMay 8, 2018, 00:25
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Quote from Vlado on May 7, 2018, 16:19

For one, many of the names are wrong, many places weren't called that way at the time...

The English wiki article has sufficient enough answers to your questions. Trade goods, and many cities mentioned there, too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bulgarian_Empire

Total population was supposedly about 2-2.5 million near the end of 14th century, before the country fell to the Turks.

I found an approximation of population numbers in big cities... But take it with a grain of salt.
Shumen 15000
Plovdiv 20000
Preslav 20000
Ruse 8000
Silistra 5000
Sliven 8000
Sofia 20000
Varna 5000
Tarnovo (capital) 35000
Vidin 6000

http://da.uni-vt.bg/u/383/pub/6461/%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B6%D1%8A%D1%82%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B2%20%D1%81%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F-1.pdf
(in Bulgarian, of course)

1# True use mostly modern names for the provinces, as playable timespan goes from 1356 to 1929. So pretty inaucurate at the beginning, but it has to recogniceable for the whole game. Renaming mechanic is quite clunky so its barely used in any mod at all. (In german names have a "w" instead of a "v" compared to english.)
2# Indeed overlooked the trade part
3# The population values are probably to high, only did Tarnovo so far (12-15k in 14th century in other source). Often is the modern city area used instead of the historical city area causing this huge gaps. Seem to occur here also, so some adjustments are necessary. Will have to raise most values despite that though.
4# Yes found the page with city sizes...

SudertumPostMay 8, 2018, 00:36
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Thanks for the response Vlado, somehow your second link messed up window width, causing the edit button to cutoff.

VladoPostMay 8, 2018, 12:35
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Strange... Cuts it off in multiple lines on my screen. Probably depends on the browser.

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